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A four-point plan on the Palestinian question. Congratulations to three presidents. And messages of condolence after two deadly earthquakes.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\n\n\n\u003Cp>In our first episode of “China Diplomacy Now,” we’ll bring you up to speed on President Xi Jinping’s diplomatic activity in August. What happened, who was involved, and why it matters.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\n\n\n\u003Cp>Further Reading:\u003C\u002Fp>\n\n\n\n\u003Cul>\u003Cli>\u003Ca href=\"https:\u002F\u002Fen.chinadiplomacy.org.cn\u002F2026-08\u002F24\u002Fcontent_118662235.shtml\" rel=\"nofollow\">Xi calls on China, Jordan to further deepen alignment of development strategies\u003C\u002Fa>\u003C\u002Fli>\u003Cli>\u003Ca href=\"https:\u002F\u002Fen.chinadiplomacy.org.cn\u002F2026-08\u002F24\u002Fcontent_118662234.shtml\" rel=\"nofollow\">Xi congratulates Alamgir on assuming Bangladeshi presidency\u003C\u002Fa>\u003C\u002Fli>\u003Cli>\u003Ca href=\"https:\u002F\u002Fen.chinadiplomacy.org.cn\u002F2026-08\u002F25\u002Fcontent_118662576.shtml\" rel=\"nofollow\">Xi puts forward four principles on Palestinian question\u003C\u002Fa>\u003C\u002Fli>\u003Cli>\u003Ca href=\"https:\u002F\u002Fen.chinadiplomacy.org.cn\u002F2026-08\u002F21\u002Fcontent_118657674.shtml\" rel=\"nofollow\">Xi congratulates Hichilema on re-election as Zambian president\u003C\u002Fa>\u003C\u002Fli>\u003Cli>\u003Ca href=\"https:\u002F\u002Fen.chinadiplomacy.org.cn\u002F2026-08\u002F20\u002Fcontent_118655861.shtml\" rel=\"nofollow\">Xi congratulates Baka on assuming Hungarian presidency\u003C\u002Fa>\u003C\u002Fli>\u003Cli>\u003Ca href=\"https:\u002F\u002Fen.chinadiplomacy.org.cn\u002F2026-08\u002F19\u002Fcontent_118653943.shtml\" rel=\"nofollow\">Xi calls for stronger China-Ecuador synergy in development strategies\u003C\u002Fa>\u003C\u002Fli>\u003Cli>\u003Ca href=\"https:\u002F\u002Fen.chinadiplomacy.org.cn\u002F2026-08\u002F18\u002Fcontent_118652196.shtml\" rel=\"nofollow\">Xi extends condolences to Indonesian president over strong earthquake\u003C\u002Fa>\u003C\u002Fli>\u003Cli>\u003Ca href=\"https:\u002F\u002Fen.chinadiplomacy.org.cn\u002F2026-08\u002F12\u002Fcontent_118643649.shtml\" rel=\"nofollow\">Xi extends condolences to Colombian president over deadly 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青侨阳光基金经理\u003C\u002Fp>\u003Cp>白血病、癌症能临床治愈了吗？化疗是否终将被取代？\u003C\u002Fp>\u003Cp>本期节目，我们请来了青侨阳光基金经理林伟，一位深耕生物医药领域近十年的投资人。我们希望既能了解如今的医疗技术究竟有什么突破，也想搞懂医药这个需要我们科学和投资知识两手抓的板块，投资的门槛到底在哪里。\u003C\u002Fp>\u003Cp>我们聊了很多——\u003C\u002Fp>\u003Cp>从科学层面：生物医药历经四波技术浪潮，从化疗"炸弹"到ADC"精确制导导弹"，从PD-1"松刹车"到CAR-T这个"活的药"，肿瘤治疗正在发生什么样的革命？白血病、肺癌、乳腺癌等重大疾病，它们现在的实际治疗进展到哪个阶段了？\u003C\u002Fp>\u003Cp>从产业层面：哪些公司更容易实现颠覆性的创新？Biotech的九死一生和百年老药企这两种投资机会如何能够在这个行业里共存？出海BD的超级景气周期，会是一个均值回归的故事吗？\u003C\u002Fp>\u003Cp>从投资层面：怎么抓住"时代徽章"级别的机会？器械找新品类、药找价值跳升，两条主线各自的逻辑是什么？创新药是否适用于价值投资的理论？\u003C\u002Fp>\u003Cp>以及，我最关注的一点是林伟在录制中提到的，已经横盘许久的中国医药资产，可能会迎来下一个"黄金新十年"。\u003C\u002Fp>\u003Ch5>医药术语大科普：\u003C\u002Fh5>\u003Cul>\u003Cli>\u003Cp>\u003Cstrong>DRG\u003C\u002Fstrong>（疾病诊断相关分组付费）\u003C\u002Fp>\u003C\u002Fli>\u003C\u002Ful>\u003Cp>将住院病人按病种、严重程度、治疗方式等分组，每组设定固定医保支付标准。核心逻辑是"同病同价"——超出标准的部分由医院承担，倒逼医院控制成本、追求性价比。它是2015年以来中国医改三板斧（集采、医保谈判、DRG）中推进最慢、影响最深的一项。\u003C\u002Fp>\u003Cul>\u003Cli>\u003Cp>\u003Cstrong>替尼类\u003C\u002Fstrong>（小分子酪氨酸激酶抑制剂，TKI）\u003C\u002Fp>\u003C\u002Fli>\u003C\u002Ful>\u003Cp>一类口服小分子靶向抗癌药，通过阻断癌细胞内部的激酶信号通路来抑制肿瘤生长。代表药物伊马替尼（格列卫）在2001年将慢性粒细胞白血病的五年生存率从30%提高到90%，开创了癌症"慢性病化"治疗的先河。名称后缀均为"-tinib"，故称"替尼类"。\u003C\u002Fp>\u003Cul>\u003Cli>\u003Cp>\u003Cstrong>ADC\u003C\u002Fstrong>（抗体偶联药物，Antibody-Drug Conjugate）\u003C\u002Fp>\u003C\u002Fli>\u003C\u002Ful>\u003Cp>由三部分组成：抗体（导航系统）+连接子+小分子毒素（弹头）。抗体精准识别癌细胞表面标志物，将毒素直接递送到肿瘤内部释放，实现"精确制导"式杀伤，大幅降低对正常组织的损伤。被视为化疗的迭代方向，也是当前肿瘤药研发最热、交易最活跃的赛道。\u003C\u002Fp>\u003Cul>\u003Cli>\u003Cp>\u003Cstrong>PD-1\u002F免疫检查点抑制剂\u003C\u002Fstrong>（程序性死亡受体1抑制剂）\u003C\u002Fp>\u003C\u002Fli>\u003C\u002Ful>\u003Cp>T细胞表面有一种"刹车"蛋白叫PD-1，癌细胞会利用它向T细胞发送"别攻击我"的信号来逃避免疫杀伤。PD-1抑制剂的作用就是拆掉这个刹车，让免疫系统恢复对肿瘤的攻击能力。2010年代以来肿瘤免疫疗法的基石药物，也是中国创新药企参与度最高、竞争最激烈的品种。\u003C\u002Fp>\u003Cul>\u003Cli>\u003Cp>\u003Cstrong>PD-1双抗\u003C\u002Fstrong>（PD-1双特异性抗体）\u003C\u002Fp>\u003C\u002Fli>\u003C\u002Ful>\u003Cp>在PD-1单抗基础上，一个分子同时结合两个靶点——除阻断PD-1"刹车"外，再加一个激活信号（如结合VEGF阻断肿瘤血管生成、或结合另一个免疫靶点增强T细胞活性）。双抗相比单抗追求的是"1+1>2"的疗效提升和更好的安全性，是当前国产创新药最有国际竞争力的前沿方向之一。\u003C\u002Fp>\u003Cul>\u003Cli>\u003Cp>\u003Cstrong>CAR-T\u003C\u002Fstrong>（嵌合抗原受体T细胞疗法）\u003C\u002Fp>\u003C\u002Fli>\u003C\u002Ful>\u003Cp>从患者体内提取T细胞，在体外进行基因改造——装上能识别癌细胞的"导航头"（CAR），扩增后再回输体内。相当于为免疫系统定制了一支精准打击部队。目前主要适用于血液瘤，实体瘤上仍面临重大技术瓶颈。\u003C\u002Fp>\u003Cul>\u003Cli>\u003Cp>\u003Cstrong>GLP-1\u003C\u002Fstrong>（胰高血糖素样肽-1受体激动剂）\u003C\u002Fp>\u003C\u002Fli>\u003C\u002Ful>\u003Cp>模仿人体天然激素GLP-1的药物，同时促进胰岛素分泌、抑制食欲、延缓胃排空。2020年代因显著的减重效果成为全球现象级品类，诺和诺德的司美格鲁肽和礼来的替尔泊肽先后刷新单品销售纪录。也是林伟解释创新药"跳升后平台化"规律的经典案例——礼来在90年代靠抗抑郁药爆发后沉寂了十几年，直到GLP-1才完成第二次跳升。\u003C\u002Fp>\u003Cul>\u003Cli>\u003Cp>\u003Cstrong>入胞疗法\u003C\u002Fstrong>\u003C\u002Fp>\u003C\u002Fli>\u003C\u002Ful>\u003Cp>指药物突破细胞膜的屏障，直接作用于细胞内部的靶点蛋白。多数传统小分子药和抗体只能在细胞表面或细胞外液中发挥作用，而入胞疗法打开了"细胞内靶点"这个此前几乎无法触及的空间——据估计，人类疾病相关靶点中约85%位于细胞内。目前处于从概念验证走向商业化的早期阶段。\u003C\u002Fp>\u003Cul>\u003Cli>\u003Cp>\u003Cstrong>BD\u003C\u002Fstrong>（Business Development，医药行业特指许可交易）\u003C\u002Fp>\u003C\u002Fli>\u003C\u002Ful>\u003Cp>创新药企将产品的海外开发、商业化权益授权给跨国药企，获得首付款+里程碑付款+销售分成。本质上是中国药企在自身缺乏全球销售网络的情况下，用"卖青苗"的方式提前变现，是目前国产创新药出海的最主要通道。\u003C\u002Fp>\u003Cul>\u003Cli>\u003Cp>\u003Cstrong>兰切斯特法则\u003C\u002Fstrong>（Lanchester's Law）\u003C\u002Fp>\u003C\u002Fli>\u003C\u002Ful>\u003Cp>源自一战时期英国工程师兰切斯特的空战数学模型，后被引入商业竞争策略。核心思想：弱者集中资源在局部形成相对优势（扬长避短）；实力增强后补齐短板以支撑更大规模的正面竞争（取长补短）。\u003C\u002Fp>\u003Ch2>本期剧透\u003C\u002Fh2>\u003Cp>1、07:10 肿瘤治疗四波浪潮：化疗→小分子靶向药（替尼）→免疫疗法（PD-1）→ADC和PD-1双抗，现在正站在第四波\u003C\u002Fp>\u003Cp>2、12:10 ADC是什么？简单说就是把化疗的"地毯式轰炸"升级成"精确制导导弹"，好的坏的一起杀变成精准杀\u003C\u002Fp>\u003Cp>3、15:14 CAR-T：一种"活的药"，把患者自己的T细胞改造后打回体内，它会在体内自我复制，持续追杀癌细胞\u003C\u002Fp>\u003Cp>4、21:55 各癌种进展不一：肺癌、乳腺癌进步大，胰腺癌仍然是硬骨头\u003C\u002Fp>\u003Cp>5、35:32 投资看什么？中国特别看重患者基数，大技术突破诞生新龙头、新品类开辟新赛道，是两条核心主线\u003C\u002Fp>\u003Cp>6、42:04 创新药两种投法：biotech的九死一生 vs pharma的高度确定，最好的机会是投"从biotech变成pharma"的那几家\u003C\u002Fp>\u003Cp>7、49:24 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